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> I don’t know what is a goomer. If this means a guy with a M. Sc. in > mechanical engineering who has built large diesel engines, then yes, I’m > a goomer.
With a basic diesel engine, bad compression is a likely cause of poor starting. It’s well down the list on an EFI petrol engine. — *Can fat people go skinny-dipping? RIP Acorn
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Just leave it. The repair costs are going to exceed the purchasing cost. > > If the engine needs long cranking time, this means that pressure doesn’t > > build up properly in the cylinder, meaning worn piston rings and/or > leaking > > valves. > …spoken as a goomer that doesn’t know a torque wrench from a breaker > bar… > -Fred W > I don’t know what is a goomer. If this means a guy with a M. Sc. in > mechanical engineering who has built large diesel engines, then yes, I’m a > goomer. > Giovanni Tarantino
Well, apparently your vast knowledge in diesels doesn’t translate well to fuel injected gasoline engines because there is no way in hell that I would suspect worn piston or rings for long cranking time. Just FYI… normally, long cranking time is an indication that the fuel pressure is not being maintained in the fuel rail, usually it is something as cheap as a stuck check valve… -Fred W
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HI, What do you think of this deal. > 1987 325 261K miles, new transmission at 200K (5 speed manual), 4 new > michelin tires, wear as you would expect for an older car, no rust, paint > peeling in one spot on hood, 2 year old 4 speaker Alpine stereo with CD. > Replaced the cam belt recently, should have 50K left on it. Passed MD > inspection. > $1900 > One owner who I know very well and loves BMWs. Just bought a new one. > He took care of it and it was garage kept for most of its life. I drove > it and it runs very well. Cranked a little longer than I expected when I > started it. He says when it is real hot it can take a while to start, > but it does eventually. Just fine in the cold. AC just stopped blowing > cold air, sounds like comprssor is kicking in though. Checking that out > next week. > I’m buying this for my teenager for school and to get around in. He is a > very responsible kid. > Never bought a BMW before and I am concerned about the mileage and if > repair/maintenance costs are greater for an old BMW than maybe a 1992 > Mazda Protege which I can buy for $2000. The BMW runs better. Insurance > costs for either one is the same.
Greg, In a word: YES. It is risky. I drove an 87 325is for years. Passed it on to my nephew and he still drives it to this day. Has about 200K on the clock. At this point, it is not a car without "challenges" Now, you’re buying as much a project as a car. Lots of little things to go wrong and a few big ones to boot. You need to have this thing checked out by a mechanic. At this age, you can be dealing with rusted brake lines, fuel lines and pre-filter, bad injectors, chassis bushings, radiator, drive shaft and half shaft problems-the list goes on. The starting problem from hot is probably not be a big deal. My 87 with the 167hp engine would take a lot of cranking to start when warm. Did it since new. It also idled rough from new. Just a characteristic of the engine that year. It is a great car. One of the best I ever owned. But sadly, they’re getting old now, and old BMW’s are kind of like old movie stars: dignified, but very cranky and expensive to maintain. Good luck.
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> Just leave it. The repair costs are going to exceed the purchasing cost. > If the engine needs long cranking time, this means that pressure doesn’t > build up properly in the cylinder, meaning worn piston rings and/or > leaking valves.
You work as a service receptionist? ‘Cause you’ve picked about the most expensive - and unlikely cause of poor hot starting – especially since it runs well. — *Be more or less specific * RIP Acorn
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> > Just leave it. The repair costs are going to exceed the purchasing cost. > If the engine needs long cranking time, this means that pressure doesn’t > build up properly in the cylinder, meaning worn piston rings and/or > leaking > valves. > …spoken as a goomer that doesn’t know a torque wrench from a breaker > bar… > -Fred W
I don’t know what is a goomer. If this means a guy with a M. Sc. in mechanical engineering who has built large diesel engines, then yes, I’m a goomer. Giovanni Tarantino
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The BMW is into its "second service interval" at 250K (an arbitrary measurement … BMW doesn’t log it that way). That means most everything that made it to 100-125K needs replacement again and some really serious stuff may be coming due … like a top end job with valves etc. I’d take it to an independent mechanic and do a full diagnostic of the entire machine with emphasis on engine, driveline, suspension, steering etc. The E30 is a sweet machine and very durable, but a quarter million miles is a milestone that even such stalwart machines do not pass without some significant maintenance investment. R / John
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HI, What do you think of this deal. > 1987 325 261K miles, new transmission at 200K (5 speed manual), 4 new > michelin tires, wear as you would expect for an older car, no rust, paint > peeling in one spot on hood, 2 year old 4 speaker Alpine stereo with CD. > Replaced the cam belt recently, should have 50K left on it. Passed MD > inspection. > $1900 > One owner who I know very well and loves BMWs. Just bought a new one. > He took care of it and it was garage kept for most of its life. I drove > it and it runs very well. Cranked a little longer than I expected when I > started it. He says when it is real hot it can take a while to start, > but it does eventually. Just fine in the cold. AC just stopped blowing > cold air, sounds like comprssor is kicking in though. Checking that out > next week. > I’m buying this for my teenager for school and to get around in. He is a > very responsible kid. > Never bought a BMW before and I am concerned about the mileage and if > repair/maintenance costs are greater for an old BMW than maybe a 1992 > Mazda Protege which I can buy for $2000. The BMW runs better. Insurance > costs for either one is the same. > Thanks, > Greg > Bowie, MD
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> Just leave it. The repair costs are going to exceed the purchasing cost. > If the engine needs long cranking time, this means that pressure doesn’t > build up properly in the cylinder, meaning worn piston rings and/or leaking > valves.
…spoken as a goomer that doesn’t know a torque wrench from a breaker bar… -Fred W
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> Just do a thorough check, don’t pay too much for the damned thing, and prepare > to be handy with a wrench. If you pay someone else to do all your repairs, > forget it.
This, as Frank Zappa once sung, is the crux of the biscuit. But what better excuse to roll up your sleeves and dig into some character building automotive repairs than a sub $2k BMW? …and with a six cylinder engine no less… -Fred W
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> HI, What do you think of this deal. > 1987 325 261K miles, new transmission at 200K (5 speed manual), 4 new > michelin tires, wear as you would expect for an older car, no rust, paint > peeling in one spot on hood, 2 year old 4 speaker Alpine stereo with CD. > Replaced the cam belt recently, should have 50K left on it. Passed MD > inspection. > $1900
<<snip a bunch of details…>> Risky? Only to the tune of $1900 which isn’t a whole lott’a risk in my books… Do you, or you and your son, want to work on the car when it needs the inevitible repairs? Every car will need some repairs sooner or later, and the $1900 variety is more prone to sooner. If so you have cut your risk dramatically. Any foreign car has the risk of expensive repairs when subjected to the whims of the mechanic specialists. I think your biggest risk is in getting your son hooked on an addiction to BMWs. Once he drives (and maintains) one he will never be satisfied with anything less… Go for it. You will not be sorry… But I’ll bet you’ll be buying one for yourself before long. -Fred W ‘94 540iA ‘95 325i ‘97 Z3 2.8 (cherry!)
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> Just leave it. The repair costs are going to exceed the purchasing cost. > If the engine needs long cranking time, this means that pressure doesn’t > build up properly in the cylinder, meaning worn piston rings and/or leaking > valves.
Easily checked with a compression gauge and a single socket and ratchet. -Russ.
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>> Just leave it. The repair costs are going to exceed the purchasing > cost. If the engine needs long cranking time, this means that > pressure doesn’t build up properly in the cylinder, meaning worn > piston rings and/or leaking valves. > Easily checked with a compression gauge and a single socket and > ratchet.
The engine is the least of your worries. Think about the worn out suspension, AC system, window regulators, seats — pads, frames, and mechanisms — fuel pumps and relays, various electrical components, brake system (corrosion, etc.), door hinges, seat belts, etc. All these things can fail, and cost a lot to fix. The condition of main components (engine, transmission, brakes, suspension, clutch) is easy to determine, but the "little" stuff can kill you. Renewing a suspension can actually cost more than replacing an engine/transmission with a good used one. Just do a thorough check, don’t pay too much for the damned thing, and prepare to be handy with a wrench. If you pay someone else to do all your repairs, forget it. My last one was still going strong at 350k, when I left it in West Texas because of a lousy fuel pump relay. Didn’t have the time to deal with it, but I *really* got my money’s worth out of that car. There was a famous test where a BMW ran a million miles on Mobile One oil, with very little engine wear. But they usually don’t tell you they replaced the diff twice. Again, the engine is probably the least of your worries. Matt O.
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HI, What do you think of this deal. 1987 325 261K miles, new transmission at 200K (5 speed manual), 4 new michelin tires, wear as you would expect for an older car, no rust, paint peeling in one spot on hood, 2 year old 4 speaker Alpine stereo with CD. Replaced the cam belt recently, should have 50K left on it. Passed MD inspection. $1900 One owner who I know very well and loves BMWs. Just bought a new one. He took care of it and it was garage kept for most of its life. I drove it and it runs very well. Cranked a little longer than I expected when I started it. He says when it is real hot it can take a while to start, but it does eventually. Just fine in the cold. AC just stopped blowing cold air, sounds like comprssor is kicking in though. Checking that out next week. I’m buying this for my teenager for school and to get around in. He is a very responsible kid. Never bought a BMW before and I am concerned about the mileage and if repair/maintenance costs are greater for an old BMW than maybe a 1992 Mazda Protege which I can buy for $2000. The BMW runs better. Insurance costs for either one is the same. Thanks, Greg Bowie, MD
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HI, What do you think of this deal. > 1987 325 261K miles, new transmission at 200K (5 speed manual), 4 new > michelin tires, wear as you would expect for an older car, no rust, paint > peeling in one spot on hood, 2 year old 4 speaker Alpine stereo with CD. > Replaced the cam belt recently, should have 50K left on it. Passed MD > inspection. > $1900 > One owner who I know very well and loves BMWs. Just bought a new one. > He took care of it and it was garage kept for most of its life. I drove > it and it runs very well. Cranked a little longer than I expected when I > started it. He says when it is real hot it can take a while to start, > but it does eventually. Just fine in the cold. AC just stopped blowing > cold air, sounds like comprssor is kicking in though. Checking that out > next week. > I’m buying this for my teenager for school and to get around in. He is a > very responsible kid. > Never bought a BMW before and I am concerned about the mileage and if > repair/maintenance costs are greater for an old BMW than maybe a 1992 > Mazda Protege which I can buy for $2000. The BMW runs better. Insurance > costs for either one is the same. > Thanks, > Greg > Bowie, MD
Buy the Bimmer. It might cost you more than the Mazda, it might not. Probably will. But with new tires, timing belt, and transmission, plus a reasonable stereo, that’s potentially a nice machine for him. And, way, WAY cooler than a protege for a teenager. The E30 is a better candidate for shadetree mechanics too, btw. PS then send him to a BMW driving school via your local BMWCCA chapter. -Russ.
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Just leave it. The repair costs are going to exceed the purchasing cost. If the engine needs long cranking time, this means that pressure doesn’t build up properly in the cylinder, meaning worn piston rings and/or leaking valves. — Best regards. Giovanni Tarantino Bevaix (NE) Switzerland 1997 Audi A4 2.8 Q 220,000 km (137,000 miles) 1997 BMW 535i 217,000 km (134,000 miles)
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